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Post by christoff on Jul 23, 2019 18:38:50 GMT
Don't forget to watch Plane Spotting Live on BBC4 tonight at 8PM and for the next two nights there after...Could spark off a bit of a debate... ENJOY  |
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Post by jargon on Jul 23, 2019 21:25:08 GMT
Call me old-fashioned but I always live in hope that whoever is presenting this type of format knows their subject inside out and can get information over in an interesting way that leaves the viewer wanting to know more.
If you watched it you don't you don't need me to comment
John
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Post by wilbur on Jul 23, 2019 21:43:46 GMT
Totally agree John,
I was watching it with my wife & kids and felt utterly embarrassed. You spend all your life trying to explain what you do to family, friends, colleagues etc. And then along comes this programme and in 60 minutes it manages to make us look like a bunch of twats.
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Post by davidallum on Jul 24, 2019 6:16:00 GMT
Have to agree with John & Wilbur.My wife kept asking me if I knew any of the people who were @ Heathrow and I said I didn't (I'm not sure I would admit it anyway).That said I will record tonight's and tomorrow's episodes and watch the darts instead.
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Post by christoff on Jul 24, 2019 7:38:56 GMT
Why on earth did I remind you guy's to watch it, all I can say is "SORRY"...I'm just off to burn all my books now.
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Post by rugbyref on Jul 24, 2019 7:54:46 GMT
I recorded it too, so will review later, but having seen the one they did on trains, I fully expected it to be cringeworthy.
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Post by davidallum on Jul 24, 2019 8:42:36 GMT
I like Peter Snow when there is an election about but last night he was clearly out of his depth and Andy Peters admitting he was a plane spotter or in his words "an aviation geek" God help us but like I said I will record and watch the final two episodes,it can only get better,Can't it?
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Post by wilbur on Jul 24, 2019 9:30:34 GMT
From his knowledge of what he was watching, or should I say lack of it, I would estimate Andi Peters has been a planespotter for all of about 10 minutes. My suspicions were aroused very early on and confirmed when he wasn't sure if the West Atlantic arrival was a 737 or a 727.
Peter Snow should get definitely get back to his election duties. And judging from last night's manic performance, keep off the wacky baccy as well.
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Post by keefyboy on Jul 24, 2019 10:50:19 GMT
Embarrassing, cringeworthy, childish and inane. One of the most unprofessional programmes I've seen and more appropriate for CBeebies. This sort of crap gives aviation enthusiasts a bad name. Peter Snow should have been pensioned off after trainspotting.
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Post by dave on Jul 24, 2019 11:12:50 GMT
hi,
I remember they did a program when the touchdown spotter/s were arrested in Turkey, and I said I would never watch or let my family see the likes again...
regards,
dave...
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Post by foxfire on Jul 24, 2019 13:45:45 GMT
The only saving grace of the programme was the very experienced ex British Airways pilot who gave some good insights into what was going on and talked about actually flying many of the 'sevens'.
Peter Snow was cringe-worthy and the techincal expert was embarrassing, especially when she talked about airliners flying to 60,000 feet! Apparently Heathrow declined to be involved and I'm not surprised.
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Post by chrisb on Jul 24, 2019 16:48:48 GMT
Truly dreadful, clearly made by those with no knowledge. I think it is a strange concept anyhow and needed to be aimed at a geek audience rather than the populace at large. One would have hoped for something along the lines of the recent Airfix/Hornby programs or some of the James May stuff. What next stamp collecting live.
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Post by graham on Jul 24, 2019 17:58:30 GMT
Let's face it, anyone who was interested in the hobby will most likely already be pursuing it. I mean, I could watch a programme on knitting and macrame but it's never going to convince me to take it up. It really does piss me off how our fraternity is presented to the general public, it does nothing to show it in a good light. I've not travelled anywhere near as much as many on AFA, but the hobby has taken me on several Stateside and European trips where I have, just occasionally, taken a day off to visit museums, landmarks, art galleries, ancient sites and other points of interest.
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Post by keefyboy on Jul 24, 2019 18:33:34 GMT
I find it really odd, as cringe worthy as it was, I shall be watching it tonight and probably tomorrow night as well. During some really bad moments last night, I had to flick channels but albeit briefly, I had to go back. Heyho I guess we are all curious!!
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Post by keefyboy on Jul 24, 2019 19:19:24 GMT
20 minutes in and what an absolute load of rubbish!!!
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Post by rh226 on Jul 24, 2019 19:24:59 GMT
Thursday's includes military. One wonders what nonsense they will come up with on that score.
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Post by jargon on Jul 24, 2019 20:44:49 GMT
The second program on short haul I felt was a big improvement on yesterday mainly because both the pilots (Arthur Williams & Catherine Burton) were allowed a much bigger impact on the program, my gut feeling is that it would be better without at least one or even both presenters (a bit like removing Fiona Bruce from the Antique Roadshow)
Maybe the last program on military will improve again but I think they'll need Military pilot input, anyway it will be interesting to see what Bob and our military experts make of it.
Does anyone know a BBC producer that would like to do a yearly show 'Bill Samuels does Oshkosh - the full week' because I suspect Bill would enjoy doing it and I'd like to watch it
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Post by Jeff on Jul 24, 2019 22:02:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 12:40:48 GMT
 After reading your comments re the programme -got it on catch up last night- have to admit Andy was a bit over the top as was Peter Snow, who is very enthusiastic for a bloke of 81 years of age- thought the lady retired pilot was quite good- apart from one bad ID of an aircraft on one of the pictures. The lad's and girl's at Myrtle Avenue were ok, they were not made out to be Geeks- and best of all they were young- not a lot of young spotters about- and they should be encouraged. Have seen a programme with the guy in the wheelchair, sorry name alludes me when he was flying his Piper J3 Cub around the British Isles. The lad who collects sick bags was interesting- I had a friend who collected sugar from various places around the world. (I think it was sugar and not that stuff to put up your nose). Was going to send my picture of the AN225 at the Paris Air Show in, but I did not want Andy to lose the plot. Have recorded the last two programmes and will be watching them on my own as the wife has declined. Regards AM
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 15:33:00 GMT
Have just watched last nights programme from London City- well presented by Arthur Williams, whose name I could not remember on my previous post- better than the previous programme, Peter Snow was better, albeit Andy made a few gaffs along the way involving a West Atlantic 737 and a Flybe DH8-4. Zoe Laughton was again very good, as was the retired female pilot, who told us that she also flew for Cambrian Airways, one airline from the 1960's. The guy who went on last flights was very interesting and I thought Andy was going to give him his Concorde boarding pass- which would have been a nice gesture. But he seemed to get great pleasure in asking for it back. Looking forward to the last one tonight. AM
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Post by Jeff on Jul 25, 2019 15:40:13 GMT
I do think that with the ease of tracking aircraft (FR24 etc) and to some extent the ease of digital photography and of course the ease of logging on computerised databases is attracting the younger generation into our hobby. Of course the hobby has evolved over the years for this new blood, the note book and pen has been replaced with moblie and a tablet, give them I red Bic pen, a ruler and a CAM and they would give you a funny look 😁That said, all in all this I believe is a good thing for the future of our hobby
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Post by lordevanelpuss on Jul 25, 2019 15:58:37 GMT
Was going to send my picture of the AN225 at the Paris Air Show in, but I did not want Andy to lose the plot. The only time I've seen this so far was at the 1990 Farnborough air show. I was lucky that my day there was one of the few days that it flew. It was before the break up of the Soviet union and so was registered CCCP-82060. I did take a photo of it flying that day but, of course, that was pre digital cameras! I've yet to see it with it's current Ukraine registration. |
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Post by keefyboy on Jul 25, 2019 18:04:36 GMT
I'm pretty sure I've walked around the AN225 at Farnborough and I'm thinking of a trade day in 2000 possibly?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 18:39:00 GMT
Was going to send my picture of the AN225 at the Paris Air Show in, but I did not want Andy to lose the plot. The only time I've seen this so far was at the 1990 Farnborough air show. I was lucky that my day there was one of the few days that it flew. It was before the break up of the Soviet union and so was registered CCCP-82060. I did take a photo of it flying that day but, of course, that was pre digital cameras! I've yet to see it with it's current Ukraine registration. I saw it at the 1989 Paris show- it was in the static with the Russian equivalent of the Space Shuttle on the back. As you say it was registered CCCP-82060, I have seen it a couple of times since as UR-82060. AM |
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Post by keefyboy on Jul 25, 2019 19:11:28 GMT
What a bunch of tossers. I'm cringing already and not seen a military jet yet!!
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Post by Jeff on Jul 25, 2019 19:20:29 GMT
I'm pretty sure I've walked around the AN225 at Farnborough and I'm thinking of a trade day in 2000 possibly? Probably the AN124 you walked around |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 16:58:05 GMT
 Have just watched the final episode- which in fairness was not all that bad- the test pilot was interesting albeit he got a few air arms mixed up from pictures at Fairford- but Andy excelled himself with his aircraft recognition- saying the Lysander was a Spitfire- until he was corrected. Peter Snow improved with each episode, and most of the guests were very good. All the actual spotters on the programme came across very well. Arthur was very good all throughout the series. I enjoyed the three episodes. The Aero Park at East Midlands will be well pleased as they got some great coverage. AM
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Post by rh226 on Jul 27, 2019 10:44:44 GMT
I think that we have to remember that the series was designed for Joe Public - who know nothing about airlines/airports and their operations, let alone aircraft identification. Compared to Joe Public, all of us on here (and other forums) are absolute experts in the field. If they had produced a series based on the level of knowledge that we possess, it would go straight over the top of Joe Public's head. Therefore, it is not really objective of us to criticise what is intended to be a (very) low-level series based on our greater knowledge and understanding of the hobby. Remember that Joe Public is not even at the "Aircraft Spotting for Dummies" level.
Having said that, if the series awakened the interest of younger members, then it cannot be a bad thing to bring more such people "on line". The spotting side of things seems to be somewhat dying these days in favour of the (sometimes obsessive) need to photograph everything (ad nauseam). How often do we hear the words "Sorry mate, I don't do numbers" when asking a photographer if he/she could help with a registration/serial? |
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Post by keefyboy on Jul 27, 2019 16:59:22 GMT
Nothing controversial folks because I know this forums policy. I agree that there are many experts on here covering the whole range of aviation interests - and I appreciate the programme is aimed at Joe Public at large. My gripe is not so much with the content but the presenters and two in particular. It was not pitched in the right way and factually incorrect on so many occasions.
I know bugger all about a lot of things which is why I watch Discovery, History, Smithsonian channels etc to learn more. I'd like to think the information they impart is factually correct. I think the knee-jerk reaction of live TV lends itself to mistakes but could have been done better with a more measured pace and better presenters!
Because I know a little bit about aviation, it bothers me when I see things in the press or on TV that are factually incorrect because journalists have not checked their facts. It makes me think that when I read stories about things that I don't know much about - just how accurate are they?
Cheers
Keith
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Post by jargon on Jul 28, 2019 12:00:31 GMT
OK finally caught up with last program on Iplayer, Military although the content would have probably disappointed military fans as there wasn't a lot of Military in it.
I am not sure the live format worked for the subject and think it would have been better pre-recorded & edited etc
The main presenters Andy & Peter were in my opinion just too frantic and weak on the subject, I suspect from his final outing that Arthur Williams would have been a good choice for main presenter.
The term planespotter doesn't really help sell the subject in fact it's a somewhat anachronistic derogatory phrase, the term Aviation Enthusiast I've heard used covers things better because it covers a wider range of interests and abilities
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