IWM Duxford- long shot !

[kingfisher787]

Hi all
Visited Duxford in June, what a brilliant museum.
A bit of a long shot, very long shot!!
I saw this Spitfire,one of many.

P1160649 by JOHN GREENHALGH, on Flickr

Does anyone have any ideas how I can find out its registration/where I should look?
Cannot see it, at a glance, on the museum site
Many thanks
John

[graham]

Hi John

This is a full list of museum exhibits according to Plane Base..

Airport : Duxford Imperial War Museum
B1-05 Zero A6M5 96 Imperial Japanese Navy EGSU
VN485 Spitfire F.24 SMAF21567 Hong Kong Auxillary Air Force EGSU
CF-EQS Stearman A75N1 PT-17 Kaydet 75-1728 Imperial War Museum EGSU
CF-KCG TBM-3E Avenger 2066 Imperial War Museum EGSU
9246 P-51D Mustang 122-40519 Royal Canadian Air Force EGSU
9893 Bolingbroke Mk.IVT Royal Canadian Air Force EGSU
VJ+OQ Bf 110 D-0 3869 Luftwaffe EGSU
1190 Bf 109 E-4N 1190 Luftwaffe EGSU
100143 Fa 330 Bachstelze A-1 100143 German Navy EGSU
120235 He 162 Spatz 120235 Luftwaffe EGSU
B.2I-103 2-111 B 114 Spanish Air Force EGSU
F-BDRS B-17G Flying Fortress 32376 United States Army Air Forces EGSU
42165 F-100D Super Sabre 223-45 French Air Force EGSU
G-ACUU Cierva C.30 A Rota I 726 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-AFBS M.14A Hawk Trainer III 539 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-AHTW Oxford I 3083 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-ALCK Proctor III H.536 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-ALDG Hermes IVA HP.81/8 Silver City Airways EGSU
G-ALFU DH.104 Dove Srs.6 04234 Civil Aviation Authority EGSU
G-ALWF Viscount 701 5 British European Airways EGSU
G-ALZO Ambassador AS.57 5226 Dan-Air London EGSU
G-AMDA Anson I n/a Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-ANTK York C.I 1282 Dan-Air London EGSU
G-AOVT Britannia 317 13427 Monarch Airlines EGSU
G-APDB DH.106 Comet 4 6403 Dan-Air London EGSU
G-APWJ H.P.R-7 Dart Herald 201 158 Air UK EGSU
G-ASGC Super VC-10 1151 853 British Airways EGSU
G-ASKC Mosquito TT.35 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-AVFB H.S.121 Trident 2E 2141 British Airways EGSU
G-AVMU One-Eleven 510ED 148 British Airways EGSU
G-AWHB 2-111 D 167 Private EGSU
G-AXDN Concorde 100 01 British Aircraft Corporation EGSU
G-BCYK CF-100 Canuck Mk 4 293 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-BEVT Trislander BN-2A Mk.III-2 1057 Aurigny Air Services EGSU
G-BFYO SPAD XIII C.1 Replica 0035 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-BHDK B-29A Superfortress 45-BN 11225 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-BHUB C-47A 19975 Aces High EGSU
G-BUCM Sea Fury FB.11 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-CBLK Hind Afghan 41H/82971 Private EGSU
G-CGYD Firefly TT.1 F.6071 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-LANC Lancaster B.X n/a Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-LIZY Lysander III Y1351 Imperial War Museum EGSU
BAPC.57 Pilcher Hawk Replica Imperial War Museum EGSU
BAPC.93 V-1 Fi 103 Imperial War Museum EGSU
BAPC.159 MXY7 Ohka 11 Ministry of Defence EGSU
BAPC.255 P-51D Mustang Full scale Model - Private EGSU
BAPC.267 Full scale model Hurricane BAPC.267 Private EGSU
BAPC.394 Full scale model Spitfire I Private EGSU
BAPC.396 Horsa II Private EGSU
BAPC.397 Hotspur II Private EGSU
2699 B.E.2c 2699 Royal Flying Corps EGSU
D5649 DH.9 Royal Flying Corps EGSU
E2581 F.2B Fighter Royal Air Force EGSU
F3556 R.E.8 Royal Air Force EGSU
N6635 Tiger Moth DH.82A 3939 Royal Air Force EGSU
Z2315 Hurricane Iib Soviet Air Force EGSU
ML796 Sunderland Mk.5 Royal Air Force EGSU
NF370 Swordfish III Royal Navy EGSU
PN323 Halifax A.VII Royal Air Force EGSU
TG528 Hastings C.1A HP67/32 Royal Air Force EGSU
WH725 Canberra B.2 Royal Air Force EGSU
WK991 Meteor F.8 Royal Air Force EGSU
WM969 Sea Hawk FB.5 AW6007 Royal Navy EGSU
WZ590 Vampire T.11 15165 Royal Air Force EGSU
XE627 Hunter F.6A 41H-679979 Royal Air Force EGSU
XF708 Shackleton MR.3 Royal Air Force EGSU
XG797 Gannet ECM.6 F.9365 Royal Navy EGSU
XH648 Victor K.1A HP80/48 Royal Air Force EGSU
XH897 Javelin FAW.9 Royal Air Force EGSU
XJ824 Vulcan K.2 Royal Air Force EGSU
XK936 Whirlwind HAS.7 WA163 Royal Navy EGSU
XM135 Lightning F.1 95031 Royal Air Force EGSU
XN239 T.31 B Cadet TX.3 1178 Royal Air Force EGSU
XR222 TSR2 XO-4 Royal Air Force EGSU
XS567 Wasp HAS.1 F9578 Royal Navy EGSU
XS576 Sea Vixen FAW.2 10134 Royal Navy EGSU
XS863 Wessex HAS.1 WA243 Royal Navy EGSU
XT581 MQM-36A Shelduck D.1 Royal Navy EGSU
XV474 Phantom FGR.2 3309 Royal Air Force EGSU
XV712 Sea King HAS.6 WA683 Royal Navy EGSU
XV865 Buccaneer S.2B B3-14-67 Royal Air Force EGSU
XX108 Jaguar GR.1 S.1 Royal Aircraft Establishment EGSU
XZ133 Harrier GR.3 712192 Royal Air Force EGSU
XZ194 Lynx AH.7 096 Army Air Corps EGSU
ZA465 Tornado GR.1B BS095 Royal Air Force EGSU
ZA469 Tornado GR.4 BS099 Royal Air Force EGSU
ZD487 Pucara IA.58A 050 Royal Air Force EGSU
ZH590 Typhoon DA4 Imperial War Museum EGSU
XP281 Auster AOP.9 B5/10/167 Army Air Corps EGSU
501 MiG-21 PF 0501 Hungarian Air Force EGSU
1133 Strikemaster Mk.80A EEP/JP/4099 Royal Saudi Air Force EGSU
N47DD P-47D Thunderbolt 399-55731 Imperial War Museum EGSU
N7614C B-25J Mitchell 108-37246 Imperial War Museum EGSU
N66630 SGS 2-12 TG-3A 63 Imperial War Museum EGSU
39-285 P-40B Tomahawk 13162 The Fighter Collection EGSU
39-287 P-40B Tomahawk 13164 Private EGSU
44-51228 B-24M Liberator 6083 United States Army Air Forces EGSU
56-0689 B-52D Stratofortress 464060 United States Air Force EGSU
56-6692 U-2T 359 United States Air Force EGSU
61-7962 SR-71A Blackbird 2013 United States Air Force EGSU
67-0120 F-111E 165 United States Air Force EGSU
72-21605 UH-1H Iroquois 13304 United States Army EGSU
76-0020 F-15A Eagle A172 United States Air Force EGSU
77-0259 A-10A Thunderbolt II A10-0184 United States Air Force EGSU
155529 F-4J(UK) Phantom II 2746 United States Navy EGSU
A19-144 Beaufighter Mk.21 The Fighter Collection EGSU
S581 Hunter T.66D 8920 Indian Air Force EGSU

[graham]

And this, according to PlaneBase, is what's based at Duxford, rather than what's listed as being in the museum collection. Loads of Spitfires in here, maybe someone can offer some help?

Airport : Duxford
F-GGBD PA-32R 301T Turbo Saratoga SP 32R-8129110 Private EGSU
F-GITZ AG-5B Tiger 10140 Private EGSU
G-ABLS DH.80A Puss Moth 2164 Private EGSU
G-ABYA Gipsy Moth DH.60G 1906 Private EGSU
G-ACMN Leopard Moth DH.85 7050 Private EGSU
G-AGJG DH.89 Dragon Rapide Srs.A 6517 Private EGSU
G-AIDL DH.89 Dragon Rapide Srs.A - 6 6968 Cirrus Aviation Ltd EGSU
G-AIST Spitfire Ia WASP/20/2 Comanche Warbirds EGSU
G-AIYR DH.89 Dragon Rapide Srs.A 6676 Classic Wings EGSU
G-AKIF DH.89 Dragon Rapide Srs.A 6838 Classic Wings EGSU
G-AMPI Stampe SV-4 C 213 Private EGSU
G-ANRM Tiger Moth DH.82A 85861 Private EGSU
G-ARAZ Tiger Moth DH.82A 82867 Private EGSU
G-ARUL Cosmic Wind 103 Private EGSU
G-ASJV Spitfire LF.IXb CBAF.5562 The Old Flying Machine Company EGSU
G-ATBG 1002 Pingouin II 121 Private EGSU
G-ATBL Gipsy Moth DH.60G 1917 Comanche Warbirds EGSU
G-AWHK Buchon HA-1112 M1L 223 Historic Flying EGSU
G-AXAN Tiger Moth DH.82A 85951 Private EGSU
G-AYHA AA-1 Yankee Clipper AA1-0396 Private EGSU
G-AZHX Bulldog Sk-61E BH.100-126 Private EGSU
G-BCCY HR.200 100 Club 37 Private EGSU
G-BCOU DHC-1 Chipmunk 22 C1/0559 Private EGSU
G-BEDF B-17G Flying Fortress 8693 B-17 Preservation Ltd EGSU
G-BGPB T-6J Texan CCF4-538 Private EGSU
G-BJST Harvard IV CCF4-292 Private EGSU
G-BOHO PA-28 161 Warrior II 28-8016196 Private EGSU
G-BPHZ Criquet MS.505 53/7 Aero Vintage EGSU
G-BPIV Bolingbroke Mk.IVT The Blenheim Association EGSU
G-BRPK PA-28 140 Cherokee F 28-7325070 Private EGSU
G-BRVE Staggerwing D17S 6701 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-BSAJ Jungmann 1-131E 2209 Private EGSU
G-BTXI AT-16ND Harvard IIB 14-429 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-BUOS Spitfire FR.XVIIIe 6S.672224 Spitfire Ltd EGSU
G-BURZ Nimrod II 41H-59890 Historic Aircraft Collection EGSU
G-BWEM Seafire LF.III Private EGSU
G-BWWK Nimrod I 41H-43617 The Fighter collection EGSU
G-BXCV DHC-1 Chipmunk 22 C1/0807 Private EGSU
G-BYNF NA-64 Yale Mk.1 64-2171 Private EGSU
G-BYSJ DHC-1 Chipmunk 22 C1/0021 Private EGSU
G-CBLS CR.42 J11 920 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-CBZP Fury I 41H/67550 Historic Aircraft Collection EGSU
G-CCCA Spitfire T.IX CBAF.IX.9590 Historic Flying EGSU
G-CCOM Lysander III Y1363 Private EGSU
G-CCVH Hawk H-75A-1 12881 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-CDLI DH.9 1414 Historic Aircraft Collection EGSU
G-CFGJ Spitfire Ia 441 Imperial War Museum EGSU
G-CGAO DHC-1 Chipmunk T.20 OGMA 40 Private EGSU
G-CGJE Spitfire IX Private EGSU
G-CGUK Spitfire Ia 6S.75531 Comanche Warbirds EGSU
G-CGXG Yak-3 UA 0470107 Private EGSU
G-CGYJ Spitfire IX CBAF.10492 Private EGSU
G-CGZP P-40F Kittyhawk 19503 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-CICK Spitfire LF.IXb CBAF.8912 Private EGSU
G-CIIO P-40C Tomahawk 16161 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-CIXJ P-36C Hawk The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-CKVY EuroFox 2K 54118 Private EGSU
G-CLCS Spitfire HF.IX CBAF IX 3248 Propshop EGSU
G-CLCT Spitfire XIVe 6S-663419 Propshop EGSU
G-CORS AT-16ND Harvard IIB 14A-1884 Aircraft Restoration Company EGSU
G-CSDR Corone CA22 CA22-010 Private EGSU
G-DHCZ DHC-2 Beaver 1442 Private EGSU
G-DINS Stearman D75N1 PT-27 Kaydet 75-4041 Private EGSU
G-EDMK Stearman E75N1 PT-13D Kaydet 75-5476 Private EGSU
G-FGID FG-1D Corsair 3111 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-GBHB TB10 Tobago 6 Private EGSU
G-GFZG PA-28 140 Cherokee E 28-7225350 Private EGSU
G-GLAD Gladiator II G5/75751 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-GUAR PA-28 161 Warrior II 28-7816576 Private EGSU
G-HRLI Hurricane I 41H-136172 Private EGSU
G-HURI Hurricane XII 72036 Historic Aircraft Collection EGSU
G-ILUA R.2160 Alpha 160Ai 160Ai-07007 Private EGSU
G-IRTY Spitfire LF.IXc CBAF.IX.970 Boultbee Aviation EGSU
G-LFVB Spitfire LF.Vb CBAF.2403 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-MKVB Spitfire LF.Vb CBAF.2461 Historic Aircraft Collection EGSU
G-MOTW OTW 125 45 Private EGSU
G-OAHC Bonanza F33C CJ-133 Private EGSU
G-OVPM Europa XS LAA 247-15051 Private EGSU
G-PBYA Catalina Canso A CV283 Catalina Aircraft Ltd EGSU
G-PRXI Spitfire PR.XI 6S.583723 Propshop EGSU
G-RAGE Cassutt Racer IIIM PFA 034-10241 Private EGSU
G-RRSR L-4J Grasshopper 12905 Private EGSU
G-RUMM F8F-2P Bearcat D.1088 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-RUMW Wildcat FM-2 5765 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-SEAF Sea Fury FB.11 ES.3617 The Fighter Collection EGSU
G-SPIT Spitfire FR.XIVe 6S.649205 Anglia Aircraft Restorations Ltd EGSU
G-TFCC CC11 160 CC11-00116 Private EGSU
G-TFSI P-51D Mustang 124-44703 Anglia Aircraft Restorations Ltd EGSU
G-TROY T-28B Trojan 174-545 Private EGSU
G-VZSF Sea Fury T.20S ES.8503 Patina Ltd EGSU
N92SQ Spitfire I Historic Flying Ltd EGSU
03-33120 MQ-1B Predator P-120 United States Air Force EGSU

[davebasing]

Just a small point for clarification and possible interest. The Plane Base Duxford Museum list provided by Graham shows Indian Air Force Hunter S581 (which is a forward fuselage only). However, it isn’t. When Hawkers bought back a number of Hunters in the 60s for onward sale to other air forces, some were converted from single to two seaters. This was the case with former Dutch Air Force Hunter F6 serial N-350 which Hawker’s re-acquired in 1964. The original single seat forward fuselage section was removed at Dunsfold and replaced with a newly constructed two seat section. The resulting two seater was then sold to the Indian Air Force as S581 and delivered in 1967 as a Mark T66D. Hawkers donated the unwanted cut off section of N-350 to the Science Museum and this subsequently ended up at Duxford. (Many other unwanted sections from other similarly converted Hunters ended up at R & J Coley’s yard in Hounslow along with a number of sectioned ex RAF Hunter F4s acquired by Hawker’s for spares). Thus the forward fuselage section at Duxford should actually be shown as from Dutch AF N-350. The confusion arises as databases track the history of an aircraft and this of course correctly records that N-350 became S581 (but the section of N-350 preserved at Duxford didn’t).

Coley’s yard (not far from Heathrow) was a treasure trove in those distant days with great piles of both civil and military aircraft spanning many decades including uncompleted TSR2s complete with serial numbers already painted on. I was lucky to have had two full access visits there in the 60s. I only shot a few pictures as film and printing was an expensive drain on pocket money in those pre-digital days. A couple below, sorry about the quality but it was over 50 years ago! At least the Brabazon section was saved for a museum in later years. Coley’s reportedly bought the only flying Brabazon and the uncompleted Mark 2 for scrap for £10,000. I’ve always wondered who Daisy Griffiths was. Was she scrapped there too??

aaa (215) by dave tompkins, on Flickr

IMG_8644 by dave tompkins, on Flickr

[billsamuels]

Morning Dave,

What were the logs on your two visits to the scrap yard near LHR? Would love to see them...

I’d heard of that place, back in the day, but never got round to going there, more’s the pity...

As to the databases, I use ADU and frequently use the ‘location report’ to get a feel of whether a visit is justifiable or not. But with all these things, the information is only as good as the person putting the stuff in... I really enjoy your clarity and accuracy, saved my bacon on many occasions, just wish I had your tenacity in keeping on top of it...

Unlike you, I do take ‘forward fuselages’ or cockpit sections, lots of people don’t and I fully appreciate and understand why - I’m forever having this debate with Deano on our frequent Airbus tours of Hamburg & Toulouse, my argument is this, if you saw a bit of a tail or nose sticking out of a hangar door - and you knew the identity - wouldn’t you take it. That’s a rhetorical question... 

I suppose each to their own. I’m forever grateful for seeing any old frames, whole or partial, that would have ended up in a scrap yard like the one in Hounslow, lost forever...

By the way, that nose we saw in the hangar at Cazaux, coded 33-LD, any ideas what it is?? 😜😂

Cheers mate.

Bill

[davebasing]

Thanks Bill. You said “I’m forever grateful for seeing any old frames, whole or partial, that would have ended up in a scrap yard like the one in Hounslow”. I feel that way whenever I look in the mirror!

I’ll have a safari into wilderness known as the loft and blow the 50 years worth of cobwebs off my old logs from Coley’s as you request.

Your nose of 33-LD at Cazaux is a Mirage F1C No 79 used as a travelling recruiting aid since its write off on 31 March 1993. As you say, I personally don’t do cockpits but saw it (complete & flying) at Waddington in August ‘86 along with No 100 which is now in the Brussels Museum. We all have our own rules for what is collectable and that’s perfectly fine for each of us (there is fortunately no rule book, nor should there be) and even my own rules are blatantly inconsistent!

[keefyboy]

That Brabazon section used to be hung on a wall in the Bristol Industrial Museum. It disappeared after they revamped and renamed the Museum to become the M-Shed. I've not noticed it in the new Filton Museum but I'm sure it's still lurking about somewhere.

[rh226]

Funnily enough, Dave, I saw Mirage F.1C 79 at Bentwaters Open Day 05/06/1982 when it was in the static. It was then coded 10-SK of EC.1/10.

Regarding Indian AF Hunters, in October 1966 I was lucky enough to have a school cadet force tour of the Hawker factory at Kingston where we saw 6x ex-RNLAF Hunters being prepared for the Chilean AF. Then we went on for a tour of Dunsfold to find five Indians (4x F.56A and 1x T.66D), 1x RJAF T.66B and 3 Iraqis (1x T.66A*** and 2x FGA.59As).

*** The Iraqi T.66A was 567 - 1st usage of serial (ex G-APUX and the crashed Belgian AF IF-19) - and had been returned from loan to the Iraqis.

[kingfisher787]

Firstly many thanks to Graham for posting the list from PB, I appreciate it.

Secondly fascinated reading the posts/pictures about the scrap yard near LHR, brilliant
I like you Bill take forward fuselages and have similar discussions when visiting locations such as XFW

As you say horses for courses, there are no rules, which is what I love about this hobby

John