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Post by davebasing on Apr 27, 2020 18:15:23 GMT
One for my fellow oldies. I saw the Blue Angels with their (six?) F11 Tigers at the 1967 Paris air show. They also did a low transit over London (seen from my then office) en route to the Yeovilton show that same year. While I did read their accompanying TF9J Cougar (142470/7) I only ever seem to have managed to get a serial for one of the F11s. Don't suppose anyone knows them either from Le Bourget or Yeovilton?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 9:55:02 GMT
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Post by davebasing on Apr 28, 2020 14:17:18 GMT
Thanks, some nice shots etc but sadly nothing on the 1967 tour. |
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Post by graham on May 1, 2020 9:29:34 GMT
Hi Dave, I've posted a request over on the Fighter Control Group forum, if they don't know, I doubt anyone will.
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Post by graham on May 1, 2020 9:39:28 GMT
Well, here's a list of all the F-11's they used before switching to the F-4's, courtesy of www.blueangels.org/Aircraft/Stick/BuNo/BuNo.htmF-11A Tiger/Long Nose 1959-1968 EDIT - some notes from the excellent Joe Baugher's Navy serial website www.joebaugher.com/navy_serials/thirdseries17.html which confirms some of the 1967 team birds and rules out several others 141738 - was "6" in 1965 only 141764 - was w/o in 1966 as "5" 141765 - no info 141775 - no info 141777 - no info 141790 - was "2" in 1965 141796 - no info 141797 - no info 141802 - no info 141811 - was "5" in 1968 only 141812 - no info 141823 - no info 141824 - was "5" 1967 only 141828 - was "1" in 1967 only 141831 - no info 141832 - no info 141837 - no info 141847 - no info 141849 - was w/o in 1965 as "4" 141850 - was "3" in 1965 only 141851 - only flew in 1961, 1965 and 1967 141853 - no info 141859 - was "5" in 1965 141863 - no info 141864 - no info 141867 - w/o in 1960 141868 - no info 141872 - no info 141873 - no info 141874 - no info 141876 - no info 141882 - no info 141883 - no info 141884 - was "6" in 1961 and 1963 |
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Post by graham on May 1, 2020 10:52:59 GMT
Here you go Dave, confirmed by a chap who attended Paris in 1967
141828/1 F-11F Tiger
141790/2
141851/3
141859/4
141802/5
141803/6
142470 TF-9J
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Post by davebasing on May 1, 2020 13:51:08 GMT
Here you go Dave, confirmed by a chap who attended Paris in 1967 141828/1 F-11F Tiger 141790/2 141851/3 141859/4 141802/5 141803/6 142470 TF-9J That's really great. Many thanks Graham and to your "chap". Only took me 53 years to finally sort them out! Have subsequently photographed two of these in the US and with the exception of 141803 which crashed at Pensacola later in 1967 all of these F11s survive at various locations in the US. The F9 was struck off charge at Kingsville in 1970 as "written off". |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 21:41:39 GMT
Here you go Dave, confirmed by a chap who attended Paris in 1967 141828/1 F-11F Tiger 141790/2 141851/3 141859/4 141802/5 141803/6 142470 TF-9J Hey, first post here and some info on f-11 tiger Bu No 141803 for you. Actually, this aircraft still exists and is displayed as a gate guard at the Reserve, LA airport. This aircraft did not crash at Pensacola, but rather it lost power on takeoff and was written off at Alvin Callender Field in Belle Chasse, LA in the mid to late 70's and from what I have been able to snoop out on it, it must have been in 1967 after the Paris Air Show. One of the reasons I know about this aircraft is that my uncle was in the Navy Reserves flying out of that field in the 60's and he told us about how they got their new gate guard Blue Angles jet. He said it was making a low pass down the runway and either got too low or lost power; and skidded down the runway on it's belly and I don't think the pilot was hurt. After with the gate guard at Alvin Callender until the late 80 or maybe the 90's, they got a F-18 that had been a Blue Angels jet as a replacement and I lost track of 141803 until I found links to it at the Reserve airport. Here is a link on the blueangels.org website to pics of this particular aircraft and you can enter 30° 4'37.25"N, 90°34'44.88"W into Google Maps or Earth and be able to see the aircraft. www.blueangels.org/Aircraft/Stick/F11/803/St_John.htm |
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Post by davebasing on May 4, 2021 23:08:01 GMT
Interesting but still clearly still some confusion. The incident at NAS New Orleans (Callender Field) was an engine failure immediately after lift off and occurred on 21 October 1967. As stated it was not repaired but stayed there and became the gate guard (where I photographed it on a base tour in 1981) and later moved to Reserve, Louisiana. It was indeed number '6' of the Angels at the time but was not 141803 (which had been 6 earlier in the year at Paris but had been replaced) but really 141870 which had by then become number 6 (as with the Thunderbirds the Angels numbers changed frequently, sometimes even over the same weekend). 141803 was written off on 2 November 1967 with the Naval Air Basic Training Command (NABTC) at Pensacola. 141870 has been confirmed as the aircraft at Reserve and as coming from the gate at New Orleans. I think that at some stage someone had taken the 6 from a photo of the aircraft on the gate (before it was repainted with the base code 7X as my photo shows) and simply assumed it was still 141803. There are other errors on the Blue Angels site to which you refer, as has recently been noted on the mil-spotters forum. Andy Marden's excellent US Military Out of Service and the Joe Baugher website both also confirm it's true identity as 141870.  ac 481 by dave tompkins, on Flickr |
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Post by davebasing on May 5, 2021 11:44:04 GMT
I mentioned that the numbers shown on the Thunderbirds and Angels aircraft are subject to fairly frequent changes. This is because the number shown on the aircraft is not aircraft serial specific but instead specific to an individual pilot and his position in the formation. Thus the leader will always fly with an aircraft showing number 1. If that goes tech or is on maintenance then he will use a replacement which is re-numbered as 1. This obviously has a knock on effect if, say, he took the aircraft which was number 4 then that would become 1 but they would then need another number 4 etc. This is particularly important for the leader but also in the Thunderbirds with number 5 who flies in the duo frequently inverted so the number on the aircraft is upside down as per the attached which I took at the Luke show a few years back. All this can lead to some rapid changes even during a show weekend and a classic is my shot below where 2 F16s are parked together at Beale both as number 8. What is one number can be a different aircraft at the next show or even changed on the day. What's a poor enthusiast to do? When former Angels 141870 moved from New Orleans to Reserve it was clearly not appropriate for it to continue showing the 7X code and NAS New Orleans as per my photo. It was also better for local PR purposes to show it in its Angels scheme and it was therefore repainted as 6 in full Angels scheme as it originally was when first mounted at New Orleans. I see that it has since been repainted again as a long stay in the Louisiana sun had faded it rather badly, but retaining the number 6.  IMG_1341 by dave tompkins, on Flickr  90a-ck by dave tompkins, on Flickr |
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Post by davebasing on May 5, 2021 17:24:35 GMT
And a well done to new member muddoctor for stimulating this thread. Welcome and enjoy.
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