REQ Russian “military” Paris/ Farnborough/ White Waltham...

[zz]

Hi all

like most people in the last year, I’ve been sorting out various logs and registers and I’ve finally got round to one that needed a lot of attention- my Russian military register!

Ive sorted and tidied most of it up, but still have a few queries and wondered if any of our experts here could help.
I’ve tried the obvious sources such as Scramble show reports and various google searches but have still come up short with the following....

Paris Air Show 19/06/91

01black Sukhoi Su-29

Farnborough Air Show 07/09/92

01black Sukhoi Su-29

were these the same aircraft? c/n 01?
or different aircraft in which case what were the c/ns please?!


Similarly,

Farnborough Air Show 05/09/94

02black Sukhoi Su-29

Paris Air Show 14/06/95

02black Sukhoi Su-29 (RA-01485)

Same question- was this the same aircraft? C/n02 ?

thanks for any help

[zz]

Next query involves Yaks seen at White Waltham.

28/08/03 Yak-52 coded 68
07/04/07 Yak-52 coded 19red

And I also have an older query -

04/08/96 Yak-52 coded 55, registered LY-A....
(Presumably not the 55 which became G-BVOK as this was ex RA-...)

Whilst I have Yak-52s as the types, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them turned out to be Yak-50s, as I had a few Yak-50/52 errors on my registers!

Again, many thanks for any help

[gtf4j2m]

The only "68" I have is G-BVVG Nanchang CJ-6A which was around in 2003.

From Farnborough 92. I logged 01 black twice, SU-29 & SU-29T. The SU-29 01 black was c/n 01. I don't know what the SU-29T was.

regards

Graham
GTF4J2M

[zz]

Thanks Graham, that’s great.

I suspect you’re right about 68 being a CJ.6- I hadn’t thought of that.
A lot of the “tidying” of my Russian military has been deleting mistakes/duplications with Yak 50/52s.
That looks like another one to remove as it was in Chinese AF colours!

Re the Su-29s- It’s interesting to know that there were two 01s together. I’ll have to check my Farnborough 92 log although I don’t think that’s in very good shape!

Many thanks again
Cheers
Phil

[graham]

Hi ZZ

Yes, there were 2 x 01 BLACK Su-29s at Farnborough 1994 as Graham says and they are, as far as PlaneBase is concerned, the only two SU-29s that have worn that reg.

As for the Yaks, 68 is listed as a Yak 50 c/n 822201 which these days wears VH-YKN since Feb 2013. The only other listed YAK that has worn 68 is a Yak 23

As for 19 RED, Planebase lists no Yaks that have carried that, doesn't mean that one never did though of course, it's just not listed

The one coded 55, only Yak 50/52 I can see that carried that is a Yak 52 c/n 9111505 which later became LN-HDA. On checking the LY-A** possibilities on a PlaneBase search, there are loads of Yaks within that block of registrations with few details as to previous ids or codes I'm afraid.

[gtf4j2m]

Not sure that the Yak 50 c/n 822201 passed through the UK, I don't think so. Just checked the AustAirData site, it was regd VH-YKN in 2013.

Your Yak-52 coded "55" is probably G-BVOK. This went to Norway as LN-HDA. This was ex RA-9111505, DOSAAF-55

[dave]

hi,
i use farnboroughspotter.weebly.com/airshows for show participants and visitors, (1948-2012) for 1994 there is listed Sukhoi 29 RA-7604 c/n 76-04 and 02 Sukhoi 29LL... and 1992 there's Sukhoi 29 c/n 01, and another 01 being a 29T...

stay safe, regards,
dave...

[zz]

Thanks Dave and Graham and Graham

Having fished out my 1992 list, I realise that I saw two 01 blacks as you have described.
I guess that one of these was the same as Paris in 91....?

Similarly , I’m guessing that 02black was the same aircraft at Farnborough 94 and Paris 95...

But thanks- at least I now know I saw two 01s

[zz]

The Yak-52s will probably always be a mystery.


“68” I’m guessing that Graham is right with his suggestion of CJ.6 G-BVVG

The “19” I imagine is one that arrived at White Waltham, before being placed on any civil register. Aerialvisuals gives a good list of Yak-52s and their military serials and any false markings, but there is no easy search method- it is a case of clicking on every likely example- I didn’t find “19” !

“55” could be RA-..., G-BVOK, (I have seen that particular 55 as both) but I do have this one down specifically as LY-A..


There were many LY- registered Yaks at the time- maybe it was one of those that briefly wore 55- maybe it is an error...

But thanks for all the efforts so far!!

[gtf4j2m]

Just looked through all the photo's on ABPIC for LY-A (and there are lots, about 200). The only thing close was LY-AKW "56" in a 2 tone camouflage scheme. noted at White Waltham and Cranfield in 1995 & Kemble in 1996 c/n 855601.

[zz]

Thanks again- yes I have LY-AKW /56 - seen at Cranfield and Kemble.

I did a similar trawl- it did at least bring a little nostalgia, seeing those first Yak-52s that appeared in the UK in the mid 90s.

Thanks for your efforts!

[zz]

Another, very specific query....

At the Paris air show 1995, there was a Tu-160 Blackjack.
I believe it was there on the 11th June - I know it was there on the 12th June.

What I want to know is, was it at Le Bourget on the 14th June 1995? (The day I went!) I don’t have a record of it, so would love to know if it was there on that day.
Did anyone here, go to the show on that day?
Or know of a list that might help? (Again scramble show reports doesn’t have the answer)

There are only a few photos on the internet and none of them that I’ve found are specifically dated.

Please don’t anyone waste your time on this- I’ve already done enough of that- but if you were there on that date or know of a list, any help would be much appreciated!

Cheers
Phil

[graham]

Phil. I've posted a request on FCG, someone on there will most likely know

[monarch01]

01 Black is a generic bort number allocated to the Sukhoi OKB, and according to the factory records has been used twelve times on different su-29's, very busy in work at the moment, but when i get the chance i will post the record cards for you and the id of the  TU-160

Cheers

Adrian

[zz]

Thanks Graham and Adrian

Adrian- regarding the Tu-160, all I want to know is was it still at Paris on 14/06/95?

Many thanks
Phil