National Museum of Flight- East Fortune, 29/3/14.

[dave]

hi,
    made the trek from Newcastle under Lyme to the above museum about 7hrs by train, had approx, 3hrs there, but copped 30 and nice to see a part of the country, which Queen Nicola might close to us soon...
missing a few i definitely knew i'd seen,

VM360 Avro C19-Series 2 Royal Air Force

G-ASUG Beech E18-S Super 18 Survery Flights Ltd

VX185 Canberra-B(I).8 Royal Air Force

G-BELF BN-2A Islander-2A-26 Atlantic Air Transport

VH-UQB Fokker 100 Alliance Airlines

G-AOEL DH-82-A Tiger Moth Continental Aircraft Services Ltd

G-ANOV DH-104-Dove 6 The Secretary of state

XN776 Lightning-F.2A Royal Air Force

XT288 Buccaneer-S.2B Royal Air Force

3677 DHC-3 Otter Canadian Armed Forces

155848 F-4-J Phantom United States Navy

G-BIRW Morane Saulnier MS.505-Criquet Graham Arthur Warner

WV493 Provost-T.1 Royal Air Force

G-ACYK Spartan Cruiser-Mk.3 Northern and Scottish Airways

G-BVWK Air And Space 18A Gyroplane Whiskey Mike (Aviation) Ltd

VM360 Avro C19-Series 2 Royal Air Force

G-ASUG Beech E18-S Super 18 Survery Flights Ltd

VX185 Canberra-B(I).8 Royal Air Force

G-BELF BN-2A Islander-2A-26 Atlantic Air Transport

VH-UQB Fokker 100 Alliance Airlines

G-AOEL DH-82-A Tiger Moth Continental Aircraft Services Ltd

G-ANOV DH-104-Dove 6 The Secretary of state

XN776 Lightning-F.2A Royal Air Force

XT288 Buccaneer-S.2B Royal Air Force

3677 DHC-3 Otter Canadian Armed Forces

155848 F-4-J Phantom United States Navy

G-BIRW Morane Saulnier MS.505-Criquet Graham Arthur Warner

WV493 Provost-T.1 Royal Air Force

G-ACYK Spartan Cruiser-Mk.3 Northern and Scottish Airways

G-BVWK Air And Space 18A Gyroplane Whiskey Mike (Aviation) Ltd

G-ARCK -AW. Meteor NF.14.

N14234/G-BBBV -BAe Jetstream fuselage.

RD220 -Bristol Beaufighter TFX.

9940 -Bristol Bolingbroke IVT.

VH-SNB -DH.84 Dragon.

WW145 -DH. Sea Venom FAW22.

WF259 -Hawker Sea Hawk F.2.

XV277 -HS. Harrier GR.1.

191659 -Me.163b-iA Komet.

XL762 -SARO Skeeter AOP.12.

TE462 -Spitfire LFXVIE

G-SJEN -Ikarus C.42

WB584 -DHC.1 Chipmunk T.10.

BAPC480 -Ferranti Phoenix.


  now the request, with a close eye on the time to catch the bus to the station, i passed a large shed so i looked into the window as you do, and there was a fuselage on trestles, i did find a mention in a magazine about a local group that were rebuilding it, but have misplaced it and now need to know the id of the rebuild, can anyone help please...

stay safe, regards,
                                   dave...

[gtf4j2m]

Dave

I can find no reference anywhere to a Canadian AF DHC3 Otter being in any UK museum. The 3677 is

3677     MiG-15bis     c/n 613677     Czech AF-11th Air Regiment

You made no mention of G-AMOG Viscount which arrived in 2006 from Cosford, as I didn't note this on my visit in 2017 could this be the aircraft in the hangar.


Hope this helps

Graham
GTF4J2M

[gtf4j2m]

Just checked the World Air Forces Directory for Canadian DHC£ Otter. 3677 was c/n 35 and was SOC Mar77 to C-GOFA and then to ZK-VAS. I photographed ZK-VAS at Rotarua, NZ in 2007 and it is still active.

Graham
GTF4J2M

[davebasing]

The VH-UQB in the museum is a Puss Moth not a Fokker 100.

[davebasing]

Not being the user of any of the commercially available databases I’d be fascinated to know how some of them actually work.

Looking at Dave’s East Fortune list, quite apart from the mix ups between the Otter and the Mig and also the Fokker 100 and the Puss Moth, there are other oddities which the list throws up. The F4 was originally built as an F4J as is shown, but it was subsequently converted to an F4S and also it served with the Marine Corps not the Navy. Ownership/operator details of the G- registered aircraft are also odd. Examples are the Tiger Moth whose owner as shown (the then Tiger Moth specialists at Croydon Airport who converted it, amongst many others, from the RAF to civil) only registered the aircraft from 1955 to 1957 during its conversion and it went on to have no less than 8 subsequent registered owners. The last owner of the Beech 18 was Loganair to whom the registration was transferred from Survey Flights back in 1968, with Loganair then owning it until its retirement in 1975; and the Dove (in which I spent many happy hours) was only registered to the “Secretary of State” for a matter of hours on a single day in April 1972 to facilitate its transfer from HMG to the newly formed Civil Aviation Authority to whom it was then registered and who operated it until its retirement (it’s still in CAA scheme and titles in the museum) . The Islander on the other hand however correctly shows its last registered owner not those who owned it before.

By no means a criticism of Dave's list which reports what his database is telling him, but perhaps someone could educate me on what is going on here and whether other databases used by members show different details for these aircraft and, if so, why?

[dave]

hi,
thanks gtf and daveb for the corrections, i'm using planelogger, it looks to use a communal base, as i load my sightings it searches for that reg, and whatever it finds it uses, if a imput is not recognised i then fill in the details myself. Sorry for the mistaken id's, i will have to go into it a bit more, then possibly change to anther...

stay safe, regards,
dave...

[graham]

If you enter VH-UQB into PlaneBase it gives four possibilities

VH-UQB DH.80A Puss Moth 2051 G-ABDW P
VH-UQB EMB-110 P1 110253 P2-ALS W
VH-UQB F100 11483 VH-UQB A
VH-UQB GA-8 Airvan TC-320 GA8-TC-320-13-191 C-GIPU A

The reg on the right is what it was last known to be wearing

[dave]

hi,
as a follow up, thanks to a mate's research, the question of the aircraft in the shed, has ben resolved, it was a Sopwith 1.1/2 strutter a ongoing renovation by a local enthusiasts group for 20yrs, it carries F2211 markings.
gtf i've a vague idea the Viscount was here but i didn't note it as was sure i'd seen it many times before, as with a Vulcan,B.707,Concorde...

stay safe, regards,
dave...

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I paid East Fortune a visit around 1988 Dave, with a mate of mine,we turned up quite early in the morning if I remember right, and a guy there gave us a full guided tour of the Museum and a hangar possibly a conservation hangar where there were lots of goodies. Don't think that would happen today.  I would like to go again as looking at Wrecks and Relics there are a few that I need which have arrived since that visit 30 odd years ago.

Bob

[dave]

hi,
go soon mr bluesky, or you will need a visa!

stay safe, regards,
dave...

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Apr 8, 2021 20:03:44 GMT dave said:

hi,
go soon mr bluesky, or you will need a visa!

stay safe, regards,
dave...

Yeah I know Dave after the info today by Grant Snapps about the Traffic Light System, whether you have had the jabs or not you have to test outbound and inbound the country for a small sum of £150 each , I'm sure that Jimmy Crankey will want us to have a visa  as well as paying for a test.

Happy Days

Bob