Krakow Aviation Museum, Poland 19/02/2013

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SP-LXC​ Aero Super 45S​(wreck)
SP-LXH​ Aero 145
SP-FXA​ Aero L-60 Brigadyr
1302/15​ Albatros B IIa
C197/15/F16. ​Albatros C I
(10114)​ Albatros H I
5705​ Antonov An-2T
SP-WMK​ Antonov An-2R
1508​ Antonov An-26
29​ Avia B-33
C.12250/17​ Aviatik C III
​Borzecki Altostratus
SP-AFO​ Bucker Bu.131B Jungmann
87916​ Cessna A-37B​S.Vietnam AF
SP-GLC​ Cessna T-50 Bobcat
BA-03​ Mirage 5BA​Belgian AF
'T8209'​ Tiger Moth
17077/17​ DFW C.Vc
(262) ​Grigorovich M.15
15459/17​ Halberstadt CL II
XW919/W​ Harrier GR.3​RAF
XX730/EC​ Jaguar​RAF
3078 ​Ilyushin Il-14S
72​ Ilyushin Il-28R
S3​ Ilyushin Il-28U
SP-GIL ​Instytut Lotnictwa BZ-1 Gil
SP-552​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-1 Sep bis
SP-1697​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-3 ABC-A
SP-1383​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-4 Jastrzab
SP-1391​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-4 Jastrzab
SP-1220 ​Instytut Szybownictwa IS-6X Nietoperz
SP-322 ​Instytut Szybownictwa IS-A Salamandra
SP-985​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-B Komar 49
SP-1213​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-C Zuraw
​JK-1 Trzmiel
SP-NXA​ Let L-200A Morava
027 ​Lisunov Li-2T
MM6876 ​F-104S Starfighter​Italian AF
R-855​ F-104 Starfighter​RDAF
/5-MF​ Fouga Magister​FAF
136255 ​Bell CH-136 Kiowa​CAF
D2225/18​ LFG Roland D.VIB
350/17​ LVG B.II
SP-P600​ Marganski S-1 Swift
905​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-19PM
809​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21F-13
9204 ​Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21bis
2003​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21M
6504 ​Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF
9107​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF
1901 ​Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PF
2004​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PF
4205​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PFM
01​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PFM
04​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21PFM
1125​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21R
1217 ​Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21U-400
9349 ​Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21UM
4401 ​Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21US
120​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23MF
4115​ Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29GT
V-257​ Alouette III​Swiss AF
J-1142​ Vampire FB.6​Swiss AF
PL-GDG​(Microlight)
SP-SPU ??​Mil Mi-2R
2121 ​Mil Mi-2
6048​ Mil Mi-2Ch
05 Mil Mi-2M2
0216​ Mil Mi-2T
4316 ​Mil Mi-2URP
​ Mil Mi-2​(c/n 370507)
511 ​Mil Mi-4A
'6'/(617)​ Mil Mi-4ME
620 ​Mil Mi-8
SP-PBL​ WSK MD-12F
'49-2983'​ NA T-6G Texan
00852 ​F-5E Tiger II​S.Vietnam AF
SP-PHN​ Pieniazek Kukulka
43-29233​ Piper L-4A Cub​(SP-AFP)
81-123​ P.W.S.26
'4'/641-646​ Polikarpov P-2LNB
2/39K​ PZL P.11c
SP-PAK​ PZL M-4 Tarpan
SP-DMA ​PZL M-20 Mewa
0305​ PZL M-93K Iryda
0309​ PZL TS-8 Bies
730/1​ PZL TS-11 Iskra​Turkish Stars
1007 ​PZL TS-11 Iskra
1909​ PZL TS-11 Iskra
012​ PZL TS-11 Iskra
SP-WAK​ PZL-101 Gawron
SP-PRC​ PZL-105 Flamingo
SP-PRD ​PZL-105L Flamingo
SP-PBK ​PZL-106/I Kruk
SP-KFB​ PZL-106A Kruk
(SP-PCB)​ PZL-130 Orlik
SP-PCE ​PZL-130 Orlik
013 ​PZL-130TC-1 Orlik
59-1822​ F-105D Thunderchief
FU-36​ F-84F Thunderstreak​ BelgAF
SP-BNU ​R.W.D.13
'SP-BPE'​ R.W.D.21​(SP-AKG)
35520/10-14​ Saab J-35J Draken​Swedish AF
37954/21-54​ Saab AJSF-37 Viggen​Swedish AF
B7280​ Sopwith F.1 Camel
(42-98643). ​Stinson L5 Sentinel​(frame)
806 ​Sukhoi Su-7BKL
​Sukhoi Su-7
01​ Sukhoi Su-7BM
06​ Sukhoi Su-7BM
116 ​Sukhoi Su-7UM
4242 ​Sukhoi Su-20R
4244 ​Sukhoi Su-20R
6250 ​Sukhoi Su-20R
3005​ Sukhoi Su-22M4
3305 ​Sukhoi Su-22M4
304​ Sukhoi Su-22UM3K
'TB995'/O-ZF​ Spitfire LF.16e​(SM411)
SP-1335​ SZD-8bis Jaskolka
SP-1358​ SZD-9bis Bocian 1A
SP-1477 ​SZD-10bis Czapla
SP-1463​ SZD-12 Mucha 100
SP-1726​ SZD-15 Sroka
SP-1640​ SZD-18 Czajka
SP-2371​ SZD-19-2B Zefir 2B
SP-2499 ​SZD-21-2B Kobuz 3
SP-2292​ SZD-22C Mucha Standard
SP-2356​ SZD-25A Lis
SP-2635​ SZD-43 Orion
14​ TS-9 Junak 3
​Tupolev Tu-2S
SP-LHB​ Tupolev Tu-134A​LOT
15502​ A-7P Corsair II​Portuguese AF
127​ Warsztaty Szybowcowe Wrona bis​(SP-127)
712​ WSK Lim-1 [MiG-15]
1230​ WSK Lim-2 [MiG-15bis]
018 ​WSK Lim-1 [MiG-15]
035​ WSK Lim-2A [MiG-15]​(stored)
304​ WSK Lim-2A [MiG-15bis]
2004 ​WSK Lim-2A [MiG-15bis]
1023​ WSK Lim-5 [MiG-17F]
1414​ WSK Lim-5R [MiG-17F]
1508​ WSK Lim-5 [MiG-17F]​(stored)
1909​ WSK Lim-5 [MiG-17F]​(stored)
105​ WSK Lim-6bis [MiG-17F]
606​ WSK Lim-6M [MiG-17PF]
618​ WSK Lim-6MR [MiG-17PF]
0603​ WSK M-15-03 Belphegor
SP-SAD​ WSK SM-1/300
SP-SAP​ WSK SM-2
SP-167 ​WWS.2 Zaba
36​ Yakovlev Yak-11
SP-ASZ​ Yakovlev Yak-12
02​ Yakovlev Yak-17W
'19'​ Yakovlev Yak-18
16​ Yakovlev Yak-23
037​ Yakovlev Yak-40
SP-YYY​ Yakovlev Yak-18
SP-ARM​ Zlin 26 Trener
SP-AUB​ Zlin Z.50LA

SP-213​ Schneider Motorbaby​(wings)
SP-1295​ Instytut Szybownictwa IS-C Zuraw​(wings)
SP-2463​ SZD-27 Kormoran​(wings)
SP-1907​ SZD-10bis Czapla​(wings)
SP-1469​ SZD-12 Mucha 100​(wings)
SP-1598​ SZD-15 Sroka​(wings)
SP-2062​ Kazan KAI-12 Primorec (wings)

[keithh]

It's a fantastic museum, the Mig line ups are amazing. The indoor exhibits are immaculate and with a good mixture of civil and military, it's well worth a visit

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Unfortunately it was snowing all day, and my camera was misbehaving so the photos aren't the best. But they show what a great place to visit it is (free on a Tuesday too!)I recommend going in the summer though, as it was bitterly cold outside looking around the exhibits!

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South Vietnamese AF F.5E



South Vietnamese AF A.37







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This hangar for WWI aircraft, had 7 aircraft that were the last surviving example of their type...

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Lastly, "stored" outside..

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Feb 1, 2015 19:13:22 GMT zz said:

Unfortunately it was snowing all day, and my camera was misbehaving so the photos aren't the best. But they show what a great place to visit it is (free on a Tuesday too!)I recommend going in the summer though, as it was bitterly cold outside looking around the exhibits!

I regularly go to the Museum, here are a few summer pics:






































Pictures from the Long Night of Museums:






They also have remnants of ancient planes









Once they even had a tank





These are old photos, I have also new ones of the new beautiful exhibition taken last year but haven`t loaded them into Photobucket yet. Soon.

[graham]

Thank you very much pawian and a warm welcome to Aviation for All!!

[Jeff]

Looking forward to the new photos :-)

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Feb 1, 2015 19:14:37 GMT zz said:

South Vietnamese AF F.5E



South Vietnamese AF A.37

One little explanation, if you please.

The two planes had belonged to South Vietnamese air force before they were taken over by communists from the North who conquered South Vietnam in 1975 and created communist People`s Vietnam. In result, the planes carry communist Vietnamese insignia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People%27s_Air_Force#/media/File:Roundel_of_the_Vietnamese_Air_Force.svg

However, you can still see the dim traces of former insignia on the planes.

First, red and blue South Vietnamese roundel and yellow fin flash.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_Air_Force#/media/File:Vietnam_Air_Force_%28south%29_roundel.svg

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Flag_of_South_Vietnam.svg/900px-Flag_of_South_Vietnam.svg.png

Secondly, I suppose that at the very bottom there must be old US insignia which had been repainted over twice. You can still see USAF on the fin.


The story is very interesting. Communist Vietnamese came into the possession of a few hundred American planes used by defeated South Vietnam. But they couldn`t use them because American service and supplies were stopped for obvious reasons. So, they asked their comrades in other communist countries for help. Polish engineers received one Tiger and one Dragonfly and tried to adapt them to the armament and equipment used in the Soviet block. Their effort was futile and the planes remained in Poland.

[graham]

Great stuff pawlian, thanks for the photos and history.

[billsamuels]

Hi Pawlian,

Welcome to AFA, I think you may be our first Polish member... 

Great piece of information to sit alongside the photos... The Vietnam war seems so long ago but it's nice to see some relics still survive.  I worked for Northwest Airlines for almost 20 years and during the war NWA had frequent flight into South Vietnam. When the end came we had a CTO (City Ticket Office) in Saigon and when the team were evacuated they had to bury thousands of unused tickets under the floor of the office.... All these years later I often wonder if they were ever found!!!

Welcome again Pawlian, please feel free to post any news from Poland and photos from your travels.

Cheers.

Bill

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Jan 29, 2016 9:22:48 GMT graham said:

Great stuff pawlian, thanks for the photos and history.

Jan 28, 2016 22:45:53 GMT Jeff said:

Looking forward to the new photos :-)

Thank you for your welcome.

I have found the file with photos from 2015 and am going to deal with them today.

PS. I have a question. They have been holding Air Picnics in Krakow for a dozen years now. I have plenty of spectacular photos, although the planes` size is limited because everything takes place not far from the city center. Is it possible to show these photos here? If yes, in which board? I tried to find one but nothing seems appropriate.

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Jan 29, 2016 9:33:28 GMT billsamuels said:

Hi Pawlian,

Welcome to AFA, I think you may be our first Polish member... 

Great piece of information to sit alongside the photos... The Vietnam war seems so long ago but it's nice to see some relics still survive.  I worked for Northwest Airlines for almost 20 years and during the war NWA had frequent flight into South Vietnam. When the end came we had a CTO (City Ticket Office) in Saigon and when the team were evacuated they had to bury thousands of unused tickets under the floor of the office.... All these years later I often wonder if they were ever found!!!

Welcome again Pawlian, please feel free to post any news from Poland and photos from your travels.

Cheers.

Bill

Hello. Funny incident with those tickets. If they had found them immediately after taking Saigon, I suppose they put them in the museum as a trophy and a symbol of victory.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Remnants_Museum

[graham]

Hi again Pawlian

You can post the photos here if you like that will be fine and thank you for your contributions so far!!

aviationforall.proboards.com/board/193/europe

[billsamuels]

You could well be right, but none of our people ever went back to check....

As collectors pieces they would be worth a lot of money nowadays... Lol....

Bill

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Jan 29, 2016 11:04:46 GMT graham said:

Hi again Pawlian

You can post the photos here if you like that will be fine and thank you for your contributions so far!!

aviationforall.proboards.com/board/193/europe

How about this thread: aviationforall.proboards.com/board/152/world-shows-visits-reports-logs

After all, most planes shown at the Krakow Air Picnic have also been used by various air forces.

Jan 29, 2016 11:14:15 GMT billsamuels said:

You our could be right, but none of our people ever went back to check....

As collectors pieces they would be worth a lot of money nowadays... Lol....
Bill

I didn`t know there is collector demand for old tickets.

[billsamuels]

Well at a great many 'aviation enthusiast' shows around the UK you will often find collectors selling, mainly used, airline tickets. Pan Am, TWA, Dan Air for example and airlines that are now defunct can be purchased sometimes for lots of money... Same as timetables (a huge thing of the past), airline cutlery (also a thing of the past) and all sorts of promotional material... People want to collect this sort of stuff....

Do I detect you may be buying a seat to Saigon soon!!! Lol.... 

I have some items from NWA, including several models, but I'm going to leave these to my kids as a nest-egg for when I'm gone...

Bill

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Jan 29, 2016 12:41:44 GMT billsamuels said:

Do I detect you may be buying a seat to Saigon soon!!! Lol.... 

Yes, I just checked the nearest flights there but I found out it is no longer Saigon, only Ho Shi Min or sth like it.

[graham]

Hi pawlian, just post them where you like, we won't mind.