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Post by dave on Mar 1, 2022 10:38:05 GMT
hi,
i've seen a news report that leasing companies are recalling their aircraft, figs i can remember are 777 aircraft in airline service, of which 515 are leased...
stay safe, regards,
dave...
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Post by graham on Mar 1, 2022 11:00:10 GMT
Hi Dave, there have been reports already of planes landing in specific airports, with their next scheduled flight to various Russian cities being cancelled and the planes seized. simpleflying.com/irish-planes-russia/ |
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Post by Jeff on Mar 3, 2022 8:13:08 GMT
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Post by chrisj on Mar 5, 2022 12:15:14 GMT
Looking on FR24 in the evening , to the east of Ukraine there seems to be a lot of VP- & VQ- aircraft in use each night ! Chrisj
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Post by michael on Mar 5, 2022 16:26:20 GMT
WANTING and FINISHING your leasing agreement is one thing,GETTING them is a completely different thing.
ALL the Russian Airlines are flying to
1.Turkey ( NATO country !!!)
2.UAE states who have reduced fares from Russia
3.Aeroflot,Azur and Nordwind usually have THREE flights between them at least eonroute the Maldives
4.Constant flights to Cuba,Thailand,ISRAEL,Egypt,Dubai,Dominican Republic
I understand that from he 28th of March (RETURN by date) the fleets can be shut down (sort off)for the Modern ones eg A350, A20N and B777 for example.As RR and Airbus have a certain amount of control over the engineering side and computer updates.
The main thing which may occur first is the withdrawl by booking systems Sabre(USA) and Amadeus (Germany)to Russian airline.These also connect the airlines systems to things like Load Sheets,Flight Bags ,Bookings and Boarding Cards.
In effect it is a question whether the Aircraf(leasing ,Spares,Computer) or the whole Airline running gives up first whether EI,VP/VQ,RA registered.
FR24 do a regular Podcast (for last 2 -3 years)and have gone into a bit of detail,explaining that and what Airspace can be flown in.
It certainly help if some of these countries stuck the SNOW PLOUGH infront of the noswheels of these aircraft preventing taxi.
But you can imagine the problems in the Maldives with 4-6 flights a day ,1,200 folk stuck on the Islands (who pays)and the airport only has about 8 Heavy stands,with congestion at the best of time without impounding aircraft on the stands (and they will not have a SNOWPLOUGH !!)
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 10, 2022 15:34:59 GMT
VQ-BRL A321 on finals for Lasham. Many more Nordwind and Aeroflot repossessions hopefully to follow!
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Post by dave on Mar 10, 2022 21:28:51 GMT
hi,
come on play fair, let Kemble have some...
regards,
dave...
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Post by Jeff on Mar 10, 2022 21:34:19 GMT
Russia may have a cunning plan with regard their leased aircraft! 😳
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 10, 2022 21:38:35 GMT
hi, come on play fair, let Kemble have some... regards, dave... I actually meant many more recalled, rather than favouring Lasham, but I take your point. May the trickle turn into a flood! |
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Post by dave on Mar 11, 2022 11:25:00 GMT
Russia may have a cunning plan with regard their leased aircraft! 😳 hi Jeff, thanks, i'd missed this video, watched a lot of his videos he's good... so if they do hold onto these aircraft, and with the spares/ maintenance programmes being with held, the airlines would have to run them till they go u/s. Has is said in the video the airlines would be against this as their future business would be at risk... or they could have past that position already. Besides that spares being sourced from other "friendly countries", would be a problem... regards, dave... |
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Post by Jeff on Mar 12, 2022 22:23:10 GMT
Hi Dave,
It did say that so far the airlines are being very compliant with regard returning the aircraft mainly due to fact they will again at some point have to deal with the leasing companies in the future. This new twist could scupper future plans though
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Post by Jeff on Mar 13, 2022 9:23:45 GMT
Just recieved this
Bermuda suspends airworthiness certificates of hundreds of Russian aircraft
The Bermuda Civil Aviation Authority has suspended the airworthiness certificates of Russian aircraft. Aircraft that have been on the territory of other countries since March 13 without such documents may be denied return to Russia, the Association of Tour Operators of Russia (ATOR) explained . According to the IBA consulting agency, 745 Russian aircraft out of about 1.4 thousand are registered in Bermuda, Interfax reports .
The aviation authorities of Bermuda explained their decision by the sanctions against Russia, which limit the ability to oversee the safety of Russian aircraft. Therefore, the regulator cannot "certify with certainty that these aircraft are airworthy." “For any aircraft in the air at 23:59 UTC on March 12, 2022, the temporary suspension will take effect immediately upon landing,” the Bermuda Civil Aviation Authority said in a statement .
The Ministry of Transport previously reported that 1367 aircraft are operated in Russia, 739 of them are registered in foreign registries. According to ATOR, Bermuda's decision will affect hundreds of aircraft. The association notes that it is difficult to establish the exact number, since since the beginning of the imposition of sanctions, Russia has transferred aircraft to its register.
The plan proposed by the Ministry of Transport for extending the airworthiness certificates of foreign aircraft and their independent maintenance in the Russian Federation previously drew criticism from market participants, Kommersant learned. The lack of software updates and developer supervision, players say, can seriously affect flight safety.
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Post by Jeff on Mar 13, 2022 11:52:24 GMT
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Post by michael on Mar 13, 2022 13:52:19 GMT
This will have Insurance loss adjusters in a tail spin.
If this goes for more than a few weeks ,ALL the aircraft whether bizjet or airliner will be subject to "Constructive Total Loss" claims from the leasing companies,as they will not be subject of proper maintenance scrutiny eg Cannibalism of parts from similar a/c,Aircraft Maintance Books after transfer to RA-
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 14, 2022 19:06:47 GMT
Surely by registering these leased aircraft as RA- the airlines have effectively stolen them from the lessors? If so, those airlines will never be able to fly to a free country, as the planes will be seized.
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Post by davebasing on Mar 14, 2022 19:57:10 GMT
Surely by registering these leased aircraft as RA- the airlines have effectively stolen them from the lessors? If so, those airlines will never be able to fly to a free country, as the planes will be siezed. Article 18 of the Chicago Convention specifies that an aircraft cannot be validly registered in more than one State (at the same time). Thus, providing Bermuda has not de-registered an aircraft (and the lessors will no doubt have ensured that they have simply cancelled the CofA not the registration) it cannot legally be re-registered in Russia. Thus the aircraft would be non-compliant if it landed outside Russia (or within Russia but the Russians wont care about that) and should be impounded simply on that basis. However, as we saw from the Aeroflot Airbus in Cairo which had no CofA or insurance (also a breach of the Chicago Convention) but the Egyptians seemingly refused to impound it and it flew back to Russia as scheduled (some may suggest it was connected to the outstanding Egyptian order for Migs but who knows). |
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Post by Jeff on Mar 14, 2022 20:58:41 GMT
Ex VQ-BOE  |
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Post by rugbyref on Mar 14, 2022 22:23:55 GMT
Totally shortsighted by these airlines. Once the war has finished, none of these airlines will be able to lease further aircraft, or even operate the current stolen ones into the free world.
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Post by Jeff on Mar 17, 2022 20:10:49 GMT
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Post by rugbyref on Apr 7, 2022 13:31:40 GMT
Surely even after the war ends, Aeroflot etc will be prevented from flying international routes as all the stolen aircraft now have expired CofA, so would be prevented entering free countries. Can’t see them having enough SU95s to service their network?
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Post by chrisj on Apr 7, 2022 16:52:10 GMT
This could be one that got caught ! VP-BLG 767 Royal Flight routed along G1 over South Wales earlier today on it's way to Shannon . Unfortunately the crud in the Welsh sky prevented me seeing it from Devon ! Chrisj
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Post by chrisj on Apr 19, 2022 18:53:11 GMT
To add to my last , VP-BLC went into Shannon today ( 19/04/22) so could be another one caught ! Chrisj
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