Easyjet Re-reggies

[Jeff]

While surfing I came across this titbit which also included the reason why these low cost carriers switch reggies around so often

"I was at LGW earlier and saw an EasyJet A320ceo with what looked like a non-standard EasyJet U.K. registration. Googled it and found out that the frame (G-EJCV) was recently transferred from EasyJet Europe and previously wore an OE- registration"

"There's 11 A320s i believe transferring over to the UK reg this summer. This where the bulk of the travel demand is within the group, so makes perfect sense. All remaining new A320/321neos being delivered this year are expected at easyJet UK."


"Shuffling aircraft around to have them dedicated to a country can also lower the fares for passengers, and the fees for airlines. For example, if a normal Ryanair 737 Max 8 with an EI registration were to fly from Stansted to Warsaw, it would have to pay higher fees at both airports. However, if a Ryanair 737 Max 8 operated by BUZZ, their polish sub-airline with an SP registration operated the same route, it would cost Ryanair a standard fee at Stansted, but to land and be turned around at Warsaw, they wouldn't have to pay as much.

This is usually used for high demand destinations. This is why airlines like Easyjet Switzerland, Wizz air Malta, Wizz air Abu Dhabi, Malta air (Ryanair), BUZZ, and Wizz UK exist"

[davebasing]

That’s part of the story, since locally negotiated and commercially advantageous deals have led to the establishment of carriers such as Buzz and Malta Air. However, post Brexit, while EU registered carriers have traffic rights to operate between the UK and any point in the EU and between EU points, they cannot operate between the UK and points outside the EU or domestically within the UK. Equally, UK carriers cannot operate between points within the EU. Thus Ryanair UK is necessary for its domestic routes (e.g. Stansted-Edinburgh, Newquay etc) and for routes such as UK-Morocco etc. Equally, Wizz UK allows Wizz access to UK routes to non-EU destinations such as Turkey etc. In the opposite direction, Brexit required easyJet to establish a separate carrier within the EU to continue to serve routes not touching the UK and which they could no longer perform as a UK registered airline. Further afield, establishment of the likes of Wizz Abu Dhabi allows Wizz to access growing demand on routes between Middle East points hence why I saw so many while in Oman recently.

The UK registered fleets of both Ryan & Wizz therefore have the flexibility to operate from the UK to EU destinations (i.e. the bulk of their major routes from the UK) but additionally also to those outside the EU. It is not surprising therefore the likes of Ryanair and easyJet are increasing their UK registered fleets as local demand increases post COVID.

[keefyboy]

This is precisely the reason and I got bored with plane spotting in recent years - I don't give a monkeys whether a plane is a new one or a scrape. If I saw it before under a different registration or a different colour scheme then it's the same bloody piece of metal I saw first time round regardless of height or on the pan. There is no way in the world I would ever drive 200 miles to see a single aircraft and this just smacks of OCD. I do like what Bill does on his regular trips to the German and French production lines because he's nipping them in the bud. I kind of did the same thing when I was working in Building 360 at Warton where they build Typhoons. I suppose at the end of the day - I just love watching aircraft fly!! My kids certainly won't be interested in my aircraft logs which started in 1967 and they will go straight in the bin!!!

[dave]

hi,
regarding keefyboy's mentioning his kids being interesting in his logs, i read a posting somewhere where a father was explaining to his son about spotting, "you go a airport/airfield write their numbers down, then you can get a book and mark off what you've seen". His son then said "and then what?".
It says it all...
regards,
dave...

[graham]

My PlaneBase digital logging system is set to "frames" Keith, so I too only ever pot the frame once although if it subsequently reappears with a new reg, or a new operator I will log it. The 100 or so Ryans that became "9H's" about three years ago were a PITA, they all go over here, as they do in Melksham but I had cleared the Ryan fleet at that point in time so it didn't really bother me as I had seen the frame, regardless of whatever tail number it was carrying. If there's a new arrival at say Kemble, and I need the frame, I might drive up there to see it but not if I've already seen it wearing a previous reg.

[Jeff]

Apr 6, 2023 16:39:34 GMT dave said:

hi,
regarding keefyboy's mentioning his kids being interesting in his logs, i read a posting somewhere where a father was explaining to his son about spotting, "you go a airport/airfield write their numbers down, then you can get a book and mark off what you've seen". His son then said "and then what?".
It says it all...
regards,
dave...

I think this is what the new generation miss out on with regards spotting, I regularly see people (younger generation or new to the hobby) saying they spotted this or that, what they really mean is they saw something on a VR!! The whole underling bit has passed them by, they will never understand the feeling of 'fleeting'an airline (I can remember to this day fleeting BA in the 70s and where it was I saw G-AVMZ). Still on the upside the VR generation are keeping an interest in spotting which has to be a good thing..... Its persuading them to get a Database or heaven forbid a CAM that's the hard bit..... Theres no feeling quite like seeing a whole page or red underlined aircraft is there 😊

[christoff]

Jeff.

Seeing that your las BA was G-AVMZ, that was the only 1-11 I have flown on, back in 83 I think, we were returning from Frankfurt and the inbound aircraft went tech, should have been one of BA's newish 737-200, but luckily for us it was a pocket rocket instead..

[keefyboy]

Please don't get me wrong folks, I love aviation and this forum, in particular, will remain one of my regular 'go to's'when I log on to the internet. It's just that I no longer get any satisfaction from number crunching. Had a great time a couple of Sundays back when we went to the Newark Air Museum and did the full tour at BBMF the following day - both without crunching numbers or taking photos.

[billsamuels]

Morning,

Yeah, sadly a sign of the times unfortunately. I do collect scrapes but I do find it slightly frustrating, but as I visit the Airbus factories at both Toulouse and Finkenwerder, I guess I’ve only got myself to blame…. I might, at some point, do the same as Graham (and I think Jeff) and only collect frames… Time will tell.

For now, I still enjoy the hunt.

Bill

[alfred]

Thanks Jeff and Dave for that information.
I must say i find Easy and Ryan frustrating fleets to log.
Still enjoy logging and photographing aircraft and still buy the cheaper registers, but no underlining, just a small cross has to suffice.

[graham]

I started spotting in 1967 aged eleven Keith and continued until I got married for the first time in 1979. Job, family, etc wasn't especially conducive to spotting,plus we lived in southeast Cornwall, a desert for aviation although I did still go to air shows and took a few foreign jaunts. When I got shot of the first missus in 1987 I was too busy enjoying myself and despite having the time, still didn't take up day-to-day spotting until 2013 when I bought my first decent DSLR, discovered VRs and got to know Jeff and Bill via the old FAB forum. So, other than the occasional show and foreign trips to the US, I didn't spot full time from 1987 until 2013. I do lose the mojo occasionally, especially when the weather's crap but come the blue skies and longer days, it always returns