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Post by bobbystreet56 on Jan 28, 2015 11:44:58 GMT
just noticed that the old site is back on line as it was when it went off line peter should be able to access all his great work after all regards bob
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Post by chevvron on Jan 28, 2015 11:49:38 GMT
just noticed that the old site is back on line as it was when it went off line peter should be able to access all his great work after all regards bob Peter's 'Pics from the past' in the Blackbushe section is not included; Tony has deliberately chosen NOT to restore this and one or two other sections.
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Post by bobbystreet56 on Jan 28, 2015 11:52:47 GMT
reading the blackbushe post it seems tony has taken peters thread out and makes no apology for doing so regards bob
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Post by peterbrown on Jan 28, 2015 12:07:50 GMT
As you say Bob, my thread has gone out with the bathwater! Have to say that the past days have given great pleasure seeing this new Forum come to life with a decent crew at the sharp end. Worryingly the heart gave trouble at 0700hrs today probably accelerated by the distress of my public execution on the Farnborough Forum. I hope that the person responsible for destroying my work does not end up doing the same to me - if it does I WILL haunt him for the rest of his days. Such is how I feel.... ..and I STILL do not know WHY? However, health permitting I will be back, more details when I've invented them...just hope we can all proceed as one happy band into the future. Well, nearly all of us.. Time for a cup of Yorkshire.. See you guys soon PB
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Post by bobbystreet56 on Jan 28, 2015 12:19:34 GMT
hi peter there is only one important thing here and that is your health so just rise above it all you have a lot of friends here that support your good work ,and as they say we need you back! regards and get well soon bob ps if anyone has any photos from peters blackbushe past saved would they be so kind as to post them to show support for peter
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Post by peterbrown on Jan 28, 2015 12:32:35 GMT
Thanks Bob, I'm very aware of the friends on here, it's good to feel the 'love' - if I can put it that way without anybody throwing up! Funnily enough, I dropped a photo into the Blackbushe section a minute ago. Just to make sure I could still remember how to do it!!!!
CU soon PB
..and again, thanks to soooo many for their support here, on emails, txts etc etc. Really rather moving. (tissues)
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Post by filair on Jan 28, 2015 13:03:51 GMT
Peter,I think some of the problem was that your thread was so popular people were thinking it was your site not his. I fear more pleading for you threads release will only harden his attitude.
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Post by falcon on Jan 28, 2015 18:59:10 GMT
Peter-Get back to 100% health soon, I know how you have been treated in such an appalling way, but don't let the b*****ds grind you down, you have many, many friends, this is a close knit group, we are all behind you. Best Wishes Derrick
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Post by graham on Jan 28, 2015 19:03:35 GMT
Hear hear chaps, Peter, as mentioned, I do have the first few pages of your magnum opus saved in another safe place along with the photos so more than happy to copy them over here as and when I can. You were very prolific in those early days and many of your individual posts had 15, 20 or even more photos attached so bear with me and I'll start to copy them over, if that's OK with you? Obviously, I would include your dialogue that accompanied every photo but do you want the replies ccopying over as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 19:05:57 GMT
I understand that many ex forum regulars are unable to access the old site. If you have tried and failed, there are no technical issues responsible for this (I am told).
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Post by Jeff on Jan 28, 2015 19:36:34 GMT
Sorry buster, what did that mean? Is it technical or its something the old forum Owner has done to make it technical ?
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Post by chevvron on Jan 28, 2015 19:42:01 GMT
It means they're barred.
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Post by Jeff on Jan 28, 2015 20:01:45 GMT
As I thought !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2015 20:05:30 GMT
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Post by graham on Jan 28, 2015 20:53:42 GMT
So, he rises Phoenix-like from the ashes and bars all the top contributors because they've had the temerity to join up here or on Andrew Harkin's new forum? Just about says it all really.
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Post by peterbrown on Jan 28, 2015 23:00:20 GMT
Graham et al..
I am rather stunned by the frequency of glowing mentions my contributions - plus the work of many others - to the now dead Farnborough forum have received. So far as I'm concerned that thread is dead despite the apparent Phoenix like resurrection, the doors are locked and it has nothing to offer from my point of view!
Now is the time to look forward, rebuild, or rather construct afresh a living tribute to Blackbushe, not so long ago London's second airport. For some while I had been considering a forum dedicated solely to Blackbushe, rather like a bubble within which the airfield will be looked at from all the time zones of its history. Events in recent history have forced my hand and I now look forward to putting together a new 'product' to cater for London's once second airport...
More details in due course, but as discussed the other day, I would be thrilled if your superb new forum could provide a link to a new Blackbushe forum when the time comes. I envisage an era of co-operation between us, no dictatorial overseer!! I truly believe that Blackbushe warrants a stand alone forum product, and as such hope to take the bold steps toward a new and caring voice to keep Blackbushe in our hearts and minds.
Graham, with regard to your copying my old work to this Forum as per your much appreciated offer, I would be most happy for you to do that but bear in mind that if/when I crank up the Blackbushe forum I will be starting the long rebuild but with less prolific numbers of photos each day.. no doubt the waffle will be unavoidable!! But it will be 'all new' work, I don't wish to reflect on my connections with the previous forum....
Perhaps we could discuss a future 'Forum link' as I explore the technical implications of flying a new Forum into our airspace..
Thank you again to all who have expressed their feelings regard the demise of the work of so many of us, it will not happen again. Thank you again to Graham and his crew for keeping the true spirit alive amid the pages of "Aviationforall". As we remember the passing of Winston Churchill fifty years ago, I see us moving toward the "Broad sunlit uplands" he visualised during the war, but this time they are more photographic and editorial in nature, but at least we can make the journey together.
For now, health permitting, I look forward to keeping Blackbushe alive in our hearts and in our minds.
Stay tuned... "PB"
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Post by graham on Jan 29, 2015 6:55:01 GMT
Good morning Peter, yes of course, the very minimum we can do here is to provide links to your new site as and when you decide the time is right and there's no reason whatsoever that this site and yours shouldn't operate on a side by side basis if that's to your agreement. My only sadness is that I never had anywhere near enough time to make proper inroads into stashing your thread away safely before the FAB forum closed. There's no doubt that the so called "leader" of the old FAB forum is using it as a bargaining piece in whatever he has up his sleeves, but he will shoot himself in the foot anyway ( as he has already succeeded in doing with his total miscalculation about what we would all do when he folded the FAB forum)because the longer he keeps it out of the public gaze, the more people will get cheesed off with his puerile antics.
Everyone here is 100% behind you and I'm sure your superb work will surface somewhere down the line unless the unthinkable happens and "someone" sees fit to delete it out of spite.
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Post by peterbrown on Jan 29, 2015 7:18:43 GMT
Thank Graham, if ever I saw a green light clearing me to the runway you've just pointed it in the right direction!
Onward and upward, time to move into the assembly sheds and bolt together the bits of the new contraption. While it looks as if I will be in the left hand seat when the first flight is due, I'm very pleased to say that the new 'project' will have "Flyboy" as joint commander throughout, not just for the test flights. Two minds totally focused on Blackbushe, hopefully we will carry the material that our customers will want on a service where comfort, entertainment and useful information are their main requirements.
It's the least we can do for the airfield that has given so much over our lifetimes.
PB
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Post by Jeff on Jan 29, 2015 7:32:25 GMT
We eagerly await the new Blackbushe site
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Post by bobbystreet56 on Jan 29, 2015 8:43:48 GMT
peter have you thought of contacting proboards and stating your case and see if they can help re-instate your posts as I have this notion that all that data must be stored somewhere in case something like this should happen regards bob
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Post by peterbrown on Jan 29, 2015 10:16:28 GMT
Morning Bob,
To answer your suggestion, yes, I've thought about it.
ProBoards in their pages of Terms and Conditions state that loss of material is not their responsibility which I can fully understand. Once I have a few doors to the ProBoards world opened up the time might be right for a bit of digging. It's not necessarily the loss of my work that bothers me, I've done it once I can do it again, but the loss of input from guests to the old thread who imparted unique information and insight into life at Blackbushe and also RAF Hartford Bridge as it once was.. Flyboy's interviews with the bomber crews of the forties' Blackbushe/RAF Hartford Bridge, Rob Belcher's fabulous photographs, word from controllers who were the voice of Blackbushe when she was our Capital's second airport..those to me are the tragic losses, and maybe they can be recaptured one way - or another.
ProBoards Terms and Conditions take some absorbing, and nothing is more dangerous than a departure that has not been properly planned and the route map studied to the nth degree..the grey cell is spinning in a crazy gyroscopic dance, but hopefully it will soon stabilise!!
Thanks Bob, let's hope that the raid on our previous land will soon be forgotten as we occupy new territory free of dictatorships.
PB
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Post by filair on Jan 29, 2015 10:33:25 GMT
Have you seen his NEW site. Full of rules,must post once a month,may be subscription based,post pictures at your peril,etc etc Ye Gods,what a welcome.
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Post by graham on Jan 29, 2015 11:01:12 GMT
Nothing like a control freak creating a totalitarian state as a "new home" for his members.
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Post by FL240 on Jan 29, 2015 11:30:56 GMT
To be fair if you sign up to any forum you always agree to T&C's and obviously we all read every word and dont just click "accept".....
By clicking "accept" you do agree to the "owner" or boards actions whether you like them or not.
To make it clear the above not aimed at PB, who sadly has already found that he has no recourse through ProBoards, but a cautionary tail to everyone who wants to create something that is actually out of their hands. One day this very forum could well be missing from the internet, you can never say never....
Creating your own space on the interweb, as PB sounds to be doing is the (relatively) safest way to do it!
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Post by graham on Jan 29, 2015 11:43:20 GMT
Very true FL, but I think there are T & C's and then the rather restrictive and inflexible T & C's that Tony seems to want to insist on. If anyone wants to contribute to his revived forum, then that's their call and good luck to them naturally, but I wouldn't trust him any further than I could throw him. I've lost 15 months of logs and photos, chicken feed compared to Peter but what's to say he won't pull the same stunt again in six months' time?
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Post by swobbly on Jan 29, 2015 12:34:36 GMT
Hi all - a simple question - how do you resign from the old Forum? I want nothing more to do with it in light of what has happened and how others in particular have been treated.
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Post by Spotter on Jan 29, 2015 12:39:22 GMT
I don't think you have to "resign". When he shut the forum all members were automatically "rejected". My password and ID don't work and I suspect it's the same with everyone. I wouldn't go near it again.
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Post by graham on Jan 29, 2015 12:41:00 GMT
Hi swobbly
Both forums use Probaords as host so it should be the same as on here. Click on your usename above your avatar, that takes you to your profile page. On the far top right you'll see a little cog with an arrow to its right, click on the arrow from where you have a number of possible actions including "disable account". I'm assuming that would remove you from the group. If it doesn't come back and we'll have a rethink...;0)
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Post by zz on Jan 29, 2015 12:57:35 GMT
There might be T and C that we all agreed to, but it's still pretty disgusting behaviour to delete someone's hard work with no explanation. Peter (and all of us) deserved better treatment- we all contributed and made that forum a success.
If he wants to bar us for some reason, that's fine - but at least do the decent thing and allow some access time (and I'm thinking of Peter here) to save/copy their hard work.
Terms and conditions shouldn't be an excuse for lack of decent moral behaviour.
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Post by graham on Jan 29, 2015 13:03:22 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself zz.
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