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Post by graham on Apr 28, 2018 13:43:34 GMT
Hi all
on 5th Aug 2015 I logged a USAF HC-130N 93-2104 from home here. It has the c/n 5381 and appears in the con list with that reg yet PlaneBase does not recognise it. Can anyone shed any light on it please?
Thank you
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Post by andover on Apr 28, 2018 14:12:32 GMT
Graham
C/N 5381 is serial number 92-2104 (not 93 Fiscal) in Planebase, plus Scramble and AVDB:)
all the best andover
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Post by graham on Apr 28, 2018 14:51:01 GMT
Many thanks Andover, another typo on my part
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Post by graham on Apr 29, 2018 11:47:23 GMT
Can anyone help with this one please? Noted at Upper Heyford on 19/6/71 a RF-4C for which I have the serial 64-026, looks like a digit is missing.
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Post by davebasing on Apr 29, 2018 14:22:11 GMT
Graham - Alconbury based 10TRW RF4C 64-1026 'AR' was in the static that day at Heyford (ended its days with the S Korean AF).
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Post by graham on Apr 29, 2018 15:20:11 GMT
That's great, many thanks indeed dave
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Post by graham on Apr 29, 2018 17:47:19 GMT
Sorry chaps, a couple more...
Valley - 13/8/77 F-111 noted as 72-0376. Not in Planebase IAT - 1983 F-111 noted as 72-0451. Not in Planebase
Any ideas please?
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Post by davebasing on Apr 29, 2018 18:38:43 GMT
Sorry chaps, a couple more... Valley - 13/8/77 F-111 noted as 72-0376. Not in Planebase IAT - 1983 F-111 noted as 72-0451. Not in Planebase Any ideas please? IAT 1983 F111F was 72-1451. Will have a look for the Valley one but chances are it was 70-0376 which was a Lakenheath swinger.
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Post by davebasing on Apr 29, 2018 18:41:35 GMT
Graham - 70-0376 confirmed at the Valley show that day.
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Post by rh226 on Apr 29, 2018 19:02:37 GMT
Sorry, Dave, but the correct serial is 70-2376.
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Post by davebasing on Apr 29, 2018 21:37:16 GMT
Sorry, Dave, but the correct serial is 70-2376. Thanks your quite right. Even managed to type it wrongly twice. At least I'm consistent!
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Post by graham on Apr 30, 2018 6:30:44 GMT
Thanks again chaps, most appreciated
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Post by graham on Apr 30, 2018 9:23:40 GMT
Some more chaps if you can help please?
Firstly, two very old ones from Dulles 3/6/72...
CH-47D Chinook noted as 70-15017 U-17B Angelfire noted as 71-1457. Neither listed in PB
IAT 1984 - HH-60 Pavehawk noted as 79-26206. Nothing in PB
IAT 1991 - A-7D Corsair noted as 73-0097. PB gives this as an F-15 but that particular frame was w/o 8/2/78
IAT 1995 - CH-47D Chinook noted as 87-0073. Nothing in PB IAT 1995 - AH-64A Apache noted as 86-8941. Nothing in PB
Thanks chaps
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Post by rh226 on Apr 30, 2018 9:43:24 GMT
Hi Graham,
70-15017 is correct, c/n B-659. It was actually a CH-47C at the time. Was subsequently rebuilt as CH-47D 84-24155
71-1457 is correct, c/n 185-02007. Went to SVnAF
The HH-60G should be 89-26206 and is one of the current LN machines........think you actually meant IAT 1994.
73-0097 should be 73-0997
87-0073 is correct, c/n M3192. Destroyed in Afghanistan 01/10/2012. Had been rebuilt from CH-47B 67-18446.
86-8941 is correct, c/n PV311. Subsequently rebuilt as AH-64D 03-05357
Credit Joe Baugher www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/usafserials.html and Scramble.
Cheers,
Bob
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Post by billsamuels on Apr 30, 2018 10:18:47 GMT
Its amazing how many queries get thrown thrown up when you start the database going...
One thing I found out with some of my old queries, sometimes you’ve got the right reg and type, but they just aren’t in the DB, when that happens just email your editor and get them added. I’ve had quite a number from my 1969 Paris Air Show Trip..... So don’t give up mate.
Best of luck Graham.
Bill
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Post by graham on Apr 30, 2018 13:25:30 GMT
Many thanks Bob, that's great. I'll keep plodding on Bill!
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Post by graham on May 1, 2018 8:40:39 GMT
Another couple from just last year. I saw two Algerian AF MiL-26s on delivery on the deck at Kefalonia airport 18/9/17 carrying 06817 and 06818. I remember that davebasing's son saw them the following day in Malta. PlaneBase has nothing on them, is it possible they have received new serials? Thanks for any help.
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Post by rh226 on May 1, 2018 9:20:00 GMT
Hi Graham,
According to the Scramble database, they should have received new serials (as yet unknown). What you have quoted are their old Russian ones.
Apart from showing their designation as being Mi-26T-2, Scramble has no further information on them - not even c/ns.
Cheers,
Bob
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Post by graham on May 1, 2018 11:30:28 GMT
Cheers Bob, many thanks
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Post by graham on May 1, 2018 13:39:56 GMT
Help again please chaps..
Seen at Lakenheath 2/8/75, a pair of Belgian AF CM-170s, noted as MT-05 and MT-06. Nothing in PB. Any ideas please?
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Post by rh226 on May 1, 2018 15:24:14 GMT
Hi Graham,
MT5 c/n 262. Went to Israeli DF/AF, then N216DM, now at the Stampe-Vertongen Museum at Antwerp - Deurne. Airworthy.
MT7 c/n 263. W/O 23/02/1976.
Note the serial presentation, please
Cheers,
Bob
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Post by davebasing on May 1, 2018 16:57:04 GMT
Hi Graham,
MT5 c/n 262. Went to Israeli DF/AF, then N216DM, now at the Stampe-Vertongen Museum at Antwerp - Deurne. Airworthy.
MT7 c/n 263. W/O 23/02/1976.
Note the serial presentation, please
Cheers,
Bob Back in the days, the first nine Belgian Magisters still carried their serials with the zero included, e.g. MT-01 etc before dropping the zero. Most other BAF types actually retained the zero but for some reason the Belgians dropped it on the Maggies. I didn't go to the Lakenheath show in 75 but interestingly the BARG report at the time had the second Maggie in the flying display as MT-15 rather than 7. Mea culpa (again) the date given by Graham was of course a couple of weeks before the show so ignore the reference to MT15!
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Post by graham on May 1, 2018 17:07:09 GMT
Many thanks again lads, I can't guarantee that there won't be some more yet, in fact, here are some...;0)
Thanks to various websites and valued input from davebasing a few years ago, I was able to put together a probable list of the RCAF F-86s in the Staravia scrapyard at Lasham when I visited in 1970 as a fledgling spotter.
All have 5-digit serials but none at all appear in PB. I have the following noted..
18596 F-86 Sabre 19529 F-86 Sabre 19764 F-86 Sabre 23425 F-86 Sabre 23431 F-86 Sabre 23549 F-86 Sabre 23562 F-86 Sabre 23573 F-86 Sabre 23574 F-86 Sabre 23581 F-86 Sabre 23590 F-86 Sabre 23596 F-86 Sabre 23606 F-86 Sabre 23606 F-86 Sabre 23612 F-86 Sabre 23617 F-86 Sabre 23621 F-86 Sabre 23632 F-86 Sabre 23656 F-86 Sabre 23659 F-86 Sabre
Any pointers please lads?
Also, in the Heli Museum at W-S-M is a Canadian Navy HUP-3 Retriever serial 16622. Again, nothing in PB....
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Post by rh226 on May 1, 2018 17:18:12 GMT
Although I no longer have my physical logs of the time, I saw MT-5, MT-7 and MT-9 at Biggin Hill Air Fete in May 1967. My handwritten "database" (i.e. pre-spreadsheets) does not include a leading zero for them. So they must have dropped the leading zero fairly early in their life.
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Post by rh226 on May 1, 2018 17:53:05 GMT
Graham,
Your HUP-3 is c/n 51 ex N6699D, previously RCN 622 and before that USAF 51-16622,
Of the Sabres, the 1st serial quoted is a w/o CF-100 Canuck. The rest, I think, are all RAF Canadair Sabre 4. I will have a look later this evening and tie them up for you.
Cheers,
Bob
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Post by rh226 on May 1, 2018 20:12:01 GMT
Hi Graham,
Nope, most of them were RCAF Sabre 6's.
18596 CF-100 Canuck Mk. 5 c/n 496 w/o 15/11/1960 North Bay, Canada. Can’t be a typo for Sabre 4 19596 as that went to RAF XB710, then to USAF, then to ItAF MM19596 and is now preserved at Rivolto.
Ex RAF 19529 CANADAIR Sabre 4 c/n 429 became RAF XB626 - s.o.c. 18/12/1958 as CAT 5(C) i.e. for scrap. 19764 CANADAIR Sabre 4 c/n 664 became RAF XD762 - scr. 18/12/1958 Ex RCAF 23425 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1215 scrapped 23431 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1221 WFU 23549 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1339 WFU 23562 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1352 WFU 23573 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1363 WFU 23574 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1364 WFU 23581 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1371 WFU 23590 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1380 WFU 23596 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1386 WFU 23606 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1396 WFU 23606 CANADAIR Sabre 6……………………………….duplicate entry, but c/ns run in sequence so correct entry can be extrapolated. 23612 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1402 WFU 23617 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1407 WFU 23621 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1411 WFU 23632 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1422 WFU 23656 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1446 WFU
23659 CANADAIR Sabre 6 c/n 1449 WFU
Cheers,
Bob
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Post by chrisj on May 1, 2018 20:30:53 GMT
Graham , Re Lasham . I visited during 63 & 64 ! IF you can get a hold of Military Aviation Review for March 1978 you will find a good listing on the last couple of pages . I do have it , Kept very secure because the first pic of Sabres at Lasham has me taking pics from the cockpit of one of them ! Anyway , to your lists . I think they all came from Prestwick where they had been dismantled . Comparing my list , your list and the magazine -- 23425 , 562 , 573 , 574 , 581 , 596 . 612 , 621 are all definitely OK . 23431 could be 23451 , 23590 could be 23580 . I have 236*9 which may be your 23659 . I found no records of the others . 18596 is a CF100 serial and i do not know of 19529 and 19764 sorry . There were also a number of USAF T33s which these might be serials for but again not on the lists i have nor notes from BARG . This does not mean they were not there but not on my 1963+ lists . Hope some of this helps . Chrisj
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Post by graham on May 2, 2018 5:49:00 GMT
That's great info thank you Bob and Chris, thanks for your help
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Post by graham on May 2, 2018 6:32:53 GMT
Canada seems to be throwing a few up
Greenham 31/5/80 I noted 132002 as a CC-130 but nothing in PB
Greenham 23/7/83 I noted 132001 as a CC-130, again, nothing in PB
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Post by zz on May 2, 2018 7:40:35 GMT
132001 and 132002 were CC-132 (Dash 7s) not CC-130s. 132001 DHC.7-102 (c/n 008) 132002 DHC.7-103 (c/n 012) The following link might help with Canadian AF queries. Whilst I don’t know how accurate all of the info is, it may answer some of the broader queries. www.rwrwalker.ca/post_int.htmlAnd specifically about the CC-132s... www.rwrwalker.ca/CF_CC132.html
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